we in germany have now identified our candidate for the eurovision song contest in may 2010 in osloand i must say: she is quite a character.. her name is lena meyer-landrut and she will perform the song "satellite".. she is young and cute, but during the process she performed some songs in her very own way:.
take a look and enjoy at: http://www.unser-star-fuer-oslo.de/kandidaten/.
(songs start after some intro.
Except for ABBA, I don't think Eurovision has a worldwide hit.
The brits can't take it seriously but the rest of Europe the Eurovision Song contest is taken very seriously althought you would wonder at times!
eta: BTW Dana is a bloke!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e25_3FuQWHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGs7dTjUsXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv83u7-mNWQ
we in germany have now identified our candidate for the eurovision song contest in may 2010 in osloand i must say: she is quite a character.. her name is lena meyer-landrut and she will perform the song "satellite".. she is young and cute, but during the process she performed some songs in her very own way:.
take a look and enjoy at: http://www.unser-star-fuer-oslo.de/kandidaten/.
(songs start after some intro.
I used to love the eurovision song contest! We used to have a big party the night of the finals!
The best bit was Sir Terry's commentry!
i did very occasionally, notably for formula 1 and wimbledon finals..
lol very true
As saints fan working in pompey and appears to be still alive! Have a beer! Your a very brave man!
i did very occasionally, notably for formula 1 and wimbledon finals..
Oh good lord! Well I suppose someone has to! And it could be worse! You could be a chelsea fan or god forbid a spurs supporter.
I suppose you think that goal hanger le tissier should have been picked for england more often!
I thought that the term "scummer" was only what pompey fans refered to you lot as?
i did very occasionally, notably for formula 1 and wimbledon finals..
"Oh Nugget dear! Would you bring us some more brewski and remove these old ones for us?"
LOL dissed you are brave, something tells me can't leave isn't a pinky waving bottle drinker! If he was a Norwich City fan I could see this, but I don't think he is!
Cantleave - Who do you support?
i did very occasionally, notably for formula 1 and wimbledon finals..
Dissed! - Cantleave comes from blighty where the sporting occasions aren't interupted every 45 seconds for a comercial break!
i did very occasionally, notably for formula 1 and wimbledon finals..
I have missed lots of things for sporting events! Mainly work!
F1 grand prix starts in Bahrain this weekend btw!
Its going to be fantastic! Button and Hamilton in the same team, Schuey back in the fray! MARVELLOUS!
Shame the bbc commentry isn't what is used to be. Murray and Hunt "the shunt" were great...............
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do you think its morally wrong to have a desire to see the end of the jw organization?.
Do you think it’s morally wrong to have a desire to see the end of the JW organization?
Tough one, that depends on the reason for why you desire to see the end of the org. Do you think that people who are trying to take down islam or the catholic church are morally wrong?
If you had the ability would you put a stop to it?
I would like to see the end of all mind controlling cults, they are dangerous. However we are humans and have free will so no, but I would like people to be more aware, better informed and allowed to leave without persecution
What would happen to its members?
Many would find another group who are equally as controlling, others would go off the rails! Some would have normal lives. Who knows!
Where would they go?
see above question
What would they do now?
see question above the above question
Would they still harvest resentment towards disfellowshipped people do you think?
yes, but more resentment to those that had destroyed what they believed in. Seriously, if you want to create fanatics this is the best way!
How many people would off themselves when their paradise hope is lost?
More than you think, this "religion" consumes their entire life, directs them on every aspect of their life. Pull the rug out from under their feet and what do you think will happen. At the same time many would adapt and move on.
Where would they go to find new hope?
Everywhere.
What would be the aftermath of the end of the organization?
Not sure, depends on what lessons are learnt and by whom.
There is a chinese proverb that if you are going for revenge then you need to dig two graves. Not sure why but it sprang to mind as I read this thread
"sd-7 is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.".
i always imagined this day would come.
i'm not sure exactly how i knew.
Christopher
You have always been a member of the human race, they (the borg) just didn't want you to associate with rest of us in the human race!
Remember to keep your chin up, nose clean and don't let the buggers grind you down.
Your doing great!
MTTM
does anyone feel threatened by outsiders of the jw world?
does it matter if anyone never has been a jw?.
what about those who have family members who are one, but not they themselves?
Yiz
There is no selective reading going on! You said "he's out now and is a truck driver". That doesn't explain if he was a truck driver before during or after. In your response to my post you cleared it up that he became a truck driver after he left the witnesses. Thank you.
I guess you have turned him from cult salesman into a
prostitute murderer!
WT? Is your brain seriously broken?
Sorry, English humour. Nevermind (Top Gear)
What? He used the custody book. His wife refused to become a JW, so he divorced her, then got help from an Elder who showed him the WTS custody book and got custody of his only son who as a baby at the time. Make sense now? I hope so.
Thank you for clearing this up. You orginal post is below and I hope you can see why I was a little lost.
He regrets divorcing his wife over the false religion and she doesn't want him back after the way he treated her as she was beneath him because she refused to become one of them and gain custody over their child, using that Custody book that the WTS passes out to members who have custody issues.
Thanks for posting this? Just curious, what did you and he do for a job back then?
He was a co-worker of mine, he worked 3rd shift and I worked 2nd shift, so when I got off and he was coming, when business was slow, so I hung out with him and we chatted vis ASL (he's was an Interpreter for his then congregation that he was a member of, but isn't anymore)
I started out using scriptures and using formulated questions that forces him to think rather than automatically spouting out WT dogma that he was trained to do. The best way to teach a JW about the WTS is to use questions w/o letting him/her know that you are teaching them. They're trained to be defensive the second they hear critical thinking of the WTS. To bypass that training, I used what they're trained to do, to answer questions.
They love to answer questions, their ego loves it. That's their weakness. I took advantage of that. So I formulate questions that makes them go, "Huh?" and they have to stop and THINK how to answer them rather than the canned answers that they are given.
After a while, I start using publications, pointing out false prophecies, doctinal changes. If they start getting defensive, I tell them to check it out for themselves. If they start using the "apostate" line, I ask them "Do you mean to tell me that WTS publishes apostate materials??" and they have to say, "NO!" and if they say "New Light", I show Charles Taze Russell's statement that "new light does not extinguish old light, but adds to them".
I use very little on publications and I avoid the Trinity doctrine because that never gets anywhere. That's something I talk about as the last thing once they are first OUT of the WTS, not before. It's a waste of time arguing Trinity doctrine. Never gets anywhere as I learned the hard way.
The bible is what I make most use of and I often share my experience as a Christian going to church where free thinking is allowed and being accepted as you are w/o having to do works in order to be accepted unlike what and how JWs treat their fellow members, I try to make him see the greener side of things a bit. We talked about shunning and he admitted he had some problems with that because he looks at his baby boy and has a hard time with the idea of shunning him if it ever came around to that. He quit his job because it got to be too much for all the information that was overloading his brain, that was in 1984.
He left in 1986 after he realized he got suckered and tried to apologize to his ex-wife and that he got duped. He wanted his wife back but she was already into another relationship and is bitter about the custody issue and he made her look like crap in court and a bad mother. She did not want anything to do with him. The only thing he could do to make up some with her is he agreed to joint custody whereas he didn't before as a JW.
He did come looking for me while I was off that day and he left me a message, "sorry I missed you" and left me a phone number So I called the deaf relay and connected to him and we spoke very briefly. He thanked me for waking him up and it took a while to start seeing what I was trying to tell him all along. So he disassociated himself. After that, he got a job as a truck driver and his route just happen to be my way so he stopped over on his way to his destination. Sorry I missed him. We haven't made contact since then. I wonder how he is doing now?
sniff sniff sniif! Outlaw did your dog poo round here? Oh no I think it was toro!
This story along with you claim of having an IQ of 146 have a very distinct pong about them!
MttM
